History Isn’t Always Carved in Stone. Even when it is.

History Isn’t Always Carved in Stone. Even when it is.

From the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial Walk of Honor in Highland Park. [Photo: David Kramer] From Championing Nationalism Dishonors American Soldiers

— Michael J. Nighan

A recent Talker article on the subject of nationalism included a photograph of a stone from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Highland Park which references November 11, 1918. The stone’s inscription states in part: “November 11, 1918 – Germany surrenders, and at 11 a.m. German delegates sign the terms of surrender in Marshal Foch’s train carriage…The ‘Great War’ is over…”.

With all due respect, both to those who erected this stone and to the event it commemorates (and at the risk of being labeled an historical nit-picker), what caught my eye were three factual inaccuracies literally carved in stone. With Veterans Day less than a week away, now would seem to be a good time to point out these errors in hopes that eventually the inscription may be corrected and the record set straight.

Correction #1

The Germans did not surrender on November 11. As background, in October 1918, hoping for a better deal from the United States than they could expect from France or Great Britain, the German government had notified President Wilson of their desire to enter into negotiations to end the war based on his previously announced “Fourteen Points”. Wilson responded that the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm II would be a precondition for peace negotiations and that if the Kaiser remained in power the US would not negotiate but would demand that Germany surrender outright.   Several weeks of power struggles within the German government and military were finally resolved when the Allies, sidestepping abdication for the moment, agreed to open truce negotiations on November 8.   Upon arriving at Compiègne outside of Paris, the German delegation was stunned to discover that “negotiations” consisted of being handed a list of non-negotiable demands and to be given 72 hours to accept them or face renewed hostilities and the invasion of the German homeland. On November 10, having been informed that the Kaiser had abdicated the previous day, the delegates were also notified by the German government that Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg had requested the armistice be concluded in order to save the German army from destruction, and that as a result the delegates were authorized to accept the Allies’ terms.

Marshal Foch and Allied military leaders outside his railway car at Compiègne

Marshal Foch and Allied military leaders outside his railway car at Compiegne. [Provided by Michael Nighan]

The armistice, calling for a suspension of hostilities for 36 days (it was subsequently extended), was signed on November 11 in the personal railway car of Supreme Allied Commander Marshal Ferdinand Foch. While the terms of the armistice required Germany to hand over various armaments and other war materials and to withdraw their forces from occupied territories, it did not call for the surrender of either the German military or the German government and nation. The reality is that Germany NEVER surrendered at the end of WWI. (1)

Correction #2

The German delegation did not sign the armistice at 11:00 on November 11. That document was signed a few minutes after 5:00 am Paris time, to take effect at 11:00 am, the historic, “Eleventh Hour of the Eleventh Day of the Eleventh Month” as it was obvious that time was needed to notify all Allied and German forces of the cessation of hostilities. (2)   A rather blood-thirsty competition commenced among the Allies to see who could claim the “honor” of firing the last shot of the Great War, resulting in massive amounts of artillery and rifle fire being expended up to, and even past, the appointed hour.

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(bottom left) November 8th, 1918 New York Times headline on the commencement of armistice negotiations; (top) grave markers of American soldiers killed November 11th. From The First World War: A Photographic History edited by Lawrence Stallings (1933). [Eugene Kramer’s collection]

America’s involvement in the fighting ended when a German-American army private, Henry Gunther, part of a patrol that was unaware of the impending armistice, approached a German road block in northern France in the late morning of November 11. Gunther charged ahead of his comrades and started firing at the German troops. Despite being shouted at in English by the better-informed German soldiers that an armistice was about to go into effect, Gunter kept firing until cut down by return fire.   He died at 10:59 am, the last American, and possibly the last Allied soldier, to be killed in the war. He had recently been demoted from sergeant, but the army posthumously restored his rank and awarded him the Distinguished Service Cross.

Henry Gunther. Last American killed in WWI.

Henry Gunther. Last American killed in WWI. [Provided by Michael Nighan]

Grave in the World War I plot in Mt. Hope cemetery of the Rochestarian, Joseph Bell, who died the closest to the November 11th armistice. Rochestarian

Grave in the World War I plot in Mt. Hope cemetery of the Rochestarian, Joseph Bell, who died the closest to the November 11th armistice. [Photo: David Kramer]

Correction #3

The November 11 armistice did not end WWI. It simply stopped the fighting. The official end of the war would have to wait for the Treaty of Versailles which, although signed on June 28, 1919, did not take effect until January 20, 1920. (3) But even that did not end the war for the United States. Opposition by isolationists in the Senate to Wilson’s League of Nations clause in the treaty led to that body rejecting the treaty on November 19, 1919.   As a result, a separate peace treaty between the United States and Germany had to be negotiated and ratified, finally taking effect on November 11, 1921. Similar treaties with Austria and Hungary went into effect on November 8 and December 17, 1921 respectively, finally bringing US involvement in WWI to a close. (4)



(1) This lack of a formal surrender was later used by Hitler to claim that Germany had not been defeated in the Great War but had been “stabbed in the back” by scheming, socialist politicians. To avoid a repetition of this situation, the Allies ensured that Germany surrendered unconditionally in writing to end WWII in Europe.

(2) The German delegation had requested that a cease fire be proclaimed prior to the signing of an armistice in order to avoid the further unnecessary loss of life. This request was rejected by Marshal Foch with the result that an estimated 11,000 additional men were killed or wounded in the six hours between 5:00 am and 11:00 am.

(3) By one interpretation, WWI didn’t truly end until almost 92 years after the Armistice when Germany made the last payment on the massive reparations debt imposed on them in 1919 under the Treaty of Versailles.   Germany had suspended payments in 1931 during the world financial crisis and Hitler refused to resume them after the Nazis came to power.  A post-WWII conference on the outstanding reparation debt ended with the West German government agreeing to resume payments once the country was unified.  With the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of the country in 1990, payments resumed, the final installment of 70,000,000 euros being paid on October 3, 2010.

2018 Veterans Administration poster showing the correct spelling of Veterans Day

2018 Veterans Administration poster showing the correct spelling of Veterans Day, [Provided by Michael Nighan]

(4) Not to put too fine a point on it, but technically there’s a fourth inaccuracy on the stone where it states that, “The end of WWI marks the beginning of the annual celebration of Veterans’ Day in the United States.”

Setting aside the fact that the official and correct name is “Veterans Day”, with no apostrophe, while November 11 was referred to as Armistice Day as early as 1919, it was not until 1926 that Congress made that date an official day of national observance with flown flags and a call for religious and civic ceremonies. Further, it did not become a federal holiday officially designated as “Armistice Day” until Congress passed the necessary legislation in 1938. Lastly, Veterans Day was not created or celebrated until 1954 following Pres. Eisenhower’s signing into law an amendment to the 1938 legislation which changed the designation of November 11 from “Armistice Day” to “Veterans Day”.   (In 1968, the ill-conceived Uniform Holiday Act shifted the holiday observances of Washington’s Birthday, Memorial Day, Columbus Day and Veterans Day from their original dates to specified Mondays starting in 1971. However, objections from veterans groups and others was so intense that the date for Veterans Day was changed back to November 11 effective in 1978.)


As seen in Remembering the Korean War in Rochester, another plaque on the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial Walk of Honor is incorrect. July 27th, 1953 did not end the Korean War, but only marked a cease fire. Technically, North Korea and South Korea are at war, although recently there have been renewed calls for a formal ending to hostilities.

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From the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial Walk of Honor in Highland Park. [Photo: David Kramer] From Remembering the Korean War in Rochester


Rochestarians in World War One and the One Hundredth Anniversary of Château-Thierry


Mt. Hope Cemetery, 7/18/18. A Centennial Remembrance of Sergeant William H. Cooper. [Photo: David Kramer]

The Austrian cannon is back in Washington Square Park. And some Italian Rochester history.


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Washington Square Park. January 2018 [Photo: David Kramer]

One hundred years ago when America entered the War to End All Wars. And Rochester.

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Edmond Lyons Park., East Rochester. A German WW1 minenwerfer (literally, “mine thrower”) in 7.58cm caliber. 4/5/17 [Photo: David Kramer]


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Welcome to Talker of the Town! My name is David Kramer. I have a Ph.D in English and teach at Keuka College. I am a former and still active Fellow at the Nazareth College Center for Public History and a Storyteller in Residence at the SmallMatters Institute. Over the years, I have taught at Monroe Community College, the Rochester Institute of Technology and St. John Fisher College. I have published numerous Guest Essays, Letters, Book Reviews and Opinion pieces in The New York Times, Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, the Buffalo News, the Rochester Patriot, the Providence Journal, the Providence Business News, the Brown Alumni Magazine, the New London Day, the Boston Herald, the Messenger Post Newspapers, the Wedge, the Empty Closet, the CITY, Lake Affect Magazine and Brighton Connections. My poetry appears in The Criterion: An International Journal in English and Rundenalia and my academic writing in War, Literature and the Arts and Twentieth Century Literary Criticism. Starting in February 2013, I wrote for three Democratic and Chronicle  blogs, "Make City Schools Better," "Unite Rochester," and the "Editorial Board." When my tenure at the D & C  ended, I wanted to continue conversations first begun there. And start new ones.  So we created this new space, Talker of the Town, where all are invited to join. I don’t like to say these posts are “mine.” Very few of them are the sole product of my sometimes overheated imagination. Instead, I call them partnerships and collaborations. Or as they say in education, “peer group work.” Talker of the Town might better be Talkers of the Town. The blog won’t thrive without your leads, text, pictures, ideas, facebook shares, tweets, comments and criticisms.


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